Let me clarify something first:
I am directing this to wives. Not to husbands. Therefore, I am not going to address what I think their responsibility is with regards to sex. The reason for that is because I think many women tend to latch onto what he is supposed to be doing and completely ignore or diminish their role and response and responsibility. This is about us. Women. I simply want us to think about our part with regards to sex. In fact, I want you to be radical and think like Warrior Wives who will go the extra mile for a good marriage. Forget him for a moment. (And if you have the opposite situation, where you desire sex more than he does, ignore me, because that's a whole other topic.)
(And just for the record...I had a few older women read this post before I published it, just to make sure I wasn't publishing wrong teaching out of a lack of life experience.)
In reality, God designed sex to be a two way street, with both partners engaged and giving and considering each other. Most wives have heard this verse:
Do not deprive one another, except perhaps by agreement for a limited time, that you may devote yourselves to prayer; but then come together again, so that Satan may not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. (1 Corinthians 7:5)One partner is not supposed to be dictating the direction of our sex lives. It was designed to be mutually beneficial. One person is not supposed to be controlling the entire experience of intimacy. Many wives think this controlling the direction thing applies only to the husband and say that he should just learn to control his desires and sacrifice his needs based on the feelings of his wife. Should he learn to sacrifice his feelings and desires out of consideration for his wife? Sure. It's part of being unselfish and living in an understanding way with his wife (1 Peter 3:7). However. A wife also does not have permission to control the direction of their sex lives by continually turning him down because she "doesn't feel like it". Yes, that is also controlling. Should she learn to sacrifice her feelings and desires sometimes to satisfy his need and desire? Absolutely.
Dave and I did not really struggle with this aspect of our sex life early on in marriage. In fact, we pretty much thrived in this area through the birth of two babies. I really didn't turn him down all that often and he wasn't demanding. And then we had a third baby. I don't know why but Isaac's birth just came crashing into our sex life and we're still struggling our way back to a good place. Honestly, I've been controlling our sex life by turning him down a lot in the past 8 1/2 months and while he's been incredibly patient with me, it has been extremely hurtful to him. We've had several tearful conversations about it; at one point, he said, "You write all these great things on your blog, but we're not having sex." Ouch. I'm tired. I don't feel like having someone else touch me after being around three young boys all day long. I just want to be alone at the end of a day and have peace and quiet. And sex is the last thing on my mind. It actually has felt like an inconvenience, and I have resented him pursuing me and I have never felt like that before. I will fully admit to you that I am wrong. I am putting my needs completely above his. That is where my heart has been.
I know that some may say that I have legitimate reasons to say no and he needs to get over it. Well, I think it's really important to evaluate our motives for decisions, and my motive in turning him down has been selfishness. It's been a refusal to step outside of myself. A refusal to believe that he finds me attractive when all I see in the mirror is a stomach riddled with stretch marks and a kangaroo pouch created by three c-sections. A refusal to even try to get my mind in the right place. A refusal to make an effort to save some energy for him by not trying to do it all during the day. It's all sin. I can't get around that. I know that there are legitimate reasons for saying no to sex, and that there can be wounds that your husband has caused that will require a work of the Holy Spirit to overcome, but I do think that if many of us wives really dug deep and prayed about it, we might find that those reasons were, in fact, selfish. Is it always selfish to say no to sex? No, but it can be and we need to guard against that.
I know that some disagree with me, but I have to standby my belief that there are sometimes when you should have sex simply to please him and to satisfy a need. Marriage requires both husband and wife to die to themselves in various areas, and I don't see why sex should be any different. What I am not saying...to be clear...is that if your husband asks you for sex, that you suck it up and march up the stairs to the bedroom like a martyr going to get your head chopped off. Or that you can never say, "Hey, hon, it's been a really long day and my head just isn't in it. Can we postpone this until tomorrow until I can really focus on enjoying making love to you." What I am saying is there are times when you have to tell yourself that it is not all about you. For many of us women, if we're going to wait until we're actually aroused and in the mood, some of us may never have sex. Sometimes you will have to take a breather when he asks, go into the bathroom, and begin to flip the mental switch for desiring sex. Guess what? You can pray that God will bless your "sex session". You can pray that he would bring the desire to you. I can testify to that. I've sometimes felt like, I just can't do this. This isn't going to be enjoyable. I REALLY DON'T WANT TO!!!! And then I've quieted my spirit and prayed. God wants sex to be good! He made it for our enjoyment! He made it to strengthen marriage!
Please see all the "SOMETIMES" I'm including in the above paragraph. Please do not read "ALWAYS" into my statements. I'm telling you this because I have been there and in some ways, am still there.
Every lovemaking session is not going to be a hugely romantic, amazing, mind-blowing experience. God did design sex to be mutually beneficial and mutually pleasurable and if it NEVER is, then there's something the two of you need to work on. Sometimes it's just about showing him that you know he needs this and that you are HAPPY to please him. My husband certainly does not want to force me to do something that I hate. But there are times when he knows that I am just not mentally there, and that I have chosen to make him more important than my emotions. The sacrifice and service that he sees in that makes him feel respected. I know this because we've talked about it. If every single lovemaking session was like that, it would be very discouraging (and actually unhealthy) but it's not. In the same way, when I know that he has chosen to sacrifice his desires and not have sex because he knows that I'm tired or emotional, I feel loved and honored and cherished. I can only respond to this by doing the same thing for him. It's a cycle of love and respect.
I'll leave you with a quote by Gary Thomas from his book Sacred Influence:
[The wife] will realize that she, by God's design, is the only appropriate outlet for her husband's desires. Anything she denies her husband becomes, by definition, an absolute denial, because he has no other place to which he can go to find satisfaction in a healthy and holy manner.
This believing woman may, at times, resent the fact that God gave her husband such frequent desires. At various stages in her life, she may even resent the fact that only she can meet that desire. At times she may even contemplate the benefits of the Old Testament concept of a concubine! But if she's a mature Christian, she'll understand that God called her into marriage to help her husband - and in this area, he may need special help. She might wish this weren't so, but she reminds herself that God's design, God's will, and God's explicit instructions from the Bible are foundational here. (p.191)
Let me also recommend Sheila Wray Gregoire's book The Good Girl's Guide to Great Sex. You can check out her blog at To Love, Honor and Vacuum and she frequently writes about issues related to sex within marriage.
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Great post, Elizabeth!
ReplyDeleteAll I know is this, my husband loves me and I love him and sometimes that means doing something the other wants. My husband is wonderful and folds the laundry if I ask, without rolling his eyes or complaining. He doesn't have to be in the mood to fold laundry. Why? Because he loves me and he sees he can serve me in that way. And, slet me tell you, having sex when I don't particularly feel like it feels a lot better to me than folding the laundry does to him. :-) So, I totally agree with you!
ReplyDeleteLol! Love the laundry comment!
ReplyDeleteAgree with you totally on this. Thank you, Elizabeth--fantastic post! It's so refreshing and encouraging to read this. :)
ReplyDeleteluv this post! :-)
ReplyDeletehaha, i agree, love the laundry analogy!
ReplyDeleteGreat post yet again! But, will you please address the issue of the wife wanting it more?
ReplyDeleteI know it has to do with the medicine he was on for years, and that the situation will likely change after kids. But right now? Can any one relate?
I think I'm going to send you over to Sheila's blog for that one...she's addressed it a few times better than I ever could. Here's a few links to check out:
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http://tolovehonorandvacuum.com/2011/09/posts-3/
Also, J @ Hot, Holy and Humorous has at least one: http://hotholyhumorous.blogspot.com/2012/04/he-doesnt-wanna-but-i-do-help-for.html
Thanks! I know it is kinda wierd, and I try not to make him feel bad, but after a about 2 weeks I tend to get annoyed. And until I realized it was the medication... I really thought there was something wrong with me.
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It's not weird...every marriage has their unique challenges because we're all individuals. I know that I often write in generalizations but that's just because it's easier to cover more bases.
ReplyDeleteThis is good! Thanks for tackling a tough topic with grace. :) Blessings, Lauren, lholmes79.wordpress.com
ReplyDeleteI must say, I needed to read this today. I've been reading all the "10 confession" posts, and I was wishing I could honestly write half of those TODAY. I could write all of them at different times in my marriage, but where I'm at TODAY, I couldn't. My 3rd child is 4 months old, and the last year has been very difficult due to having foster children, a pregnancy that was more difficult due to sickness and energy loss that was not there with the other 2, etc. And then, with this one being a VBA2C, I had tearing and healing that wasn't there before which caused the first 10 weeks PP to be extremely uncomfortable and I was actually to the point of tears the first 4 times we had sex after our son was born.
ReplyDeleteNow that things are not hurting anymore, I'm still dealing with the low libido from a year of very infrequent sex, and I can see how it is hurting my husband. I'm thankful that I know it can be better and I'm working on it, and I really needed to hear: You just need to put your husband's needs above yours. That quote at the end was also really powerful to me.
Please be in prayer for me as this is something I am working on in my marriage, rebuilding a healthy sex life together.
First of all, I'm stuck on the VBA2C part of your comment...wow! Good for you! That's great that you had a doctor who would allow that; not all of them do. Also, ouch!
ReplyDeleteI will pray for you guys...it will come, but you're right, it takes disciplining yourself to think about him and his needs. I think in general, we are always able to find the time and energy that we believe to be important. For me, it helped to just constantly remind myself all day long that "we might have sex tonight" and keep my mind there a little. I thought of it as "thinking like a guy". That way, it was a little easier to put my head in the game if it happened. My other issue (that I didn't mention) was that I was on an anti-depressant for PPD that lowered libido...well, eliminated libido actually...so once I switched that up, things got a little better. Exercising more helped with the libido and confidence factors, although that's been harder too with trying to find a time when all three boys are occupied. I've been there, and we're still working on it. But there is hope!!! Don't let yourself get discouraged!!
Yeah, thankfully I (now) have an OB who sees women who have more than 1-2 children, so he does everything possible to avoid c-section and is a huge vbac proponent. I did it all naturally, which was awesome, but I was not expecting the discomfort that was worse than the first weeks of having sex! Thankfully that's gone, but in general staying at home and caring for 3 kids is draining.
ReplyDeleteI'm going to try your idea of thinking about sex all day so that I'm ready when the time comes. I often find myself dreading when the kids go to bed because I just want to go to sleep myself... I really want to want it! And I know what you mean about anti-depressants decreasing libido. Thankfully this is my first time not having PPD, but BCPs, low energy, all those things affect libido which is why I try to live naturally which has helped in the past...I'm just having a hard time getting past the hang-ups over the past year which has destroyed my libido.
Wow just what I needed today! I have been struggling with depression, perimenapuse has hit me hard, and my thyroid funtion has been really low. You throw all that in with 3 kids and oh boy! Somedays it is all that I can do to get dressed and "kind of" keep up with the kids and the house, and then when I am so exhausted and hubby needs attention too; It has been a real overwhelming year. If find myself turning him away more often than I intend to.
ReplyDeleteWe are in the seventh year of marriage and there is that stigma about "the seven year itch" To make matters worse, My husband got his first divorce after seven years of marriage. (the second only lasted 3). He is really struggling with those automatic negative thoughts that say. "I should be getting divorced, my time is up" "when is she going to throw me out!" Is she thinking of divorcing me" etc. I find that I spend time reassuring him that I am not going to leave him. It makes me sad to think that he is experiencing such thoughts. I have no desire to leave him. I tell him that constantly.
On the other hand, I sometimes wonder if he might want to leave me because of the lack of intrest on my part. The last little while has been so bad. We try to have sex, and I fall asleep. I am so exhausted and tired all the time. I have no emotional energy for life; let alone sex. He has been really patient the last year, since perimenapause started in. But I can tell that it is wearing on him. I am trying to make a real effort to pay attention to his needs. It has helped. I try not to turn him down.Sometime it is not really great, because I am so disconnected. He does appreciate when I try. We are healing! There is hope for us. I am also hopeful about new herbs and things to help the get my thyroid back into shape. Now that I know what is going on I can heal myself, and my relationship with the man that I love.
I'm sorry it has been difficult for you!! I don't know if you read the comments below, but I've struggled with postpartum depression and it is so hard to muster up desire with that weighing on you. Add in a few health issues and I'm sure it's just a heavy weight. But you're absolutely right...there is ALWAYS hope!!! I think that so much of marriage comes down to unselfishness...it sounds as though he has been understanding and unselfish with his "demands" and you are unselfishly trying to focus on his needs. It is always good to keep our marital priorities strong and demonstrate our commitment to and our love and respect for each other. I'm wondering if you guys have ever been to counseling? It sounds as though it could really help you to work through the doubts and fears about an impending divorce.
ReplyDeleteVery thoughtful and encouraging treatment of a sensitive topic! And something I struggle with. I am not as good at stepping outside myself and showing him the respect and love he deserves in this area. But I pray about it often and see God working in our marriage. Thank you for this post and for linking up with NOBH! Smiles!
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