Friday, July 6, 2012

When Did Discretion Go Out of Style?

Well, here we go again. A few weeks ago, I wrote about how fired up I was about Fifty Shades of Grey. And then a few days ago, a friend from church texted me telling me that I should write about "Magic Mike" (which for those of you who don't know is a recently released film about an older male stripper taking a young stripper under his wing). Honestly, I had no idea what she was talking about, so I had to Google it. My first reaction? REALLY?!?! COME ON GIRLS!!! WE'RE SMARTER THAN THIS!!

I'm not going to write about "Magic Mike".  Because "Magic Mike" isn't really the problem.  And honestly, neither is Fifty Shades of Grey.  What I'm more concerned about is the fact that we Christian women are lacking in discretion.  It seems as though we have just bought into the lies that 1) it's harmless entertainment, 2) it's ok to objectify men, and 3) that it's ok to lust after another man.  

When did discretion go out of style?  When did we start thinking it was a bad thing?  

I don't want to preach at you, so let me tell you about a really poor choice my husband and I made regarding our entertainment choices. A few years ago, we started watching the "Rome" miniseries from HBO. The fact that it was from HBO should have clued us in to the fact that it would be inappropriate - and I vaguely remember having twinges of thinking it would be terrible - but we went ahead and started watching them. Let me tell you, it was the single most inappropriate thing I have ever watched. It was porn. Nudity. Explicit sex. Why did we continue watching it? Because we got sucked into the story. We kept justifying watching it with, But it's such a good story. We've got to finish it now. We finished it and then a while later, we watched a few seasons of "The Tudors" (Showtime). Same thing. We both agree that we should never have watched either one. Neither was glorifying to God. Recently, we watched one episode of "Game of Thrones" (HBO)...well, part of one...and then we turned it off.


When did we all start accepting and even choosing entertainment that flagrantly exploits sins...that encourages lust...that inspires impurity?

In Titus 2:4-5, Paul outlines several things that older women are to teach younger women: and so train the young women to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled, pureworking at home, kind, and submissive to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be reviled.  Evidently, the younger women back in Paul's day struggled with making pure decisions as well.  Proverbs offers an opinion on what a woman's lack of discretion looks like: Like a gold ring in a pig's snout is a beautiful woman without discretion.  A gold ring in a pig's snout.  Something precious and beautiful now defiled.  


I'm certainly not trying to perpetuate a legalistic mindset when it comes to making wise entertainment decisions.  I'm not going to say I think you should only read the Bible and watch BBC literary dramas (although the 1995 version of Pride and Prejudice is pretty awesome and you're seriously missing out if you haven't seen it).  But it is not a bad thing to be discreet or to make choices to put into our minds that which will build us up instead of shove us down into the gutter.  Think about this in relation to your children.  If you, like me, allow your kids to watch TV, do you allow them to watch anything they want?  If we think a particular show or movie is too violent, we don't allow them to watch it because 1) we want to protect their innocence and 2) because we would never want them to imitate it.  Discretion is a means of protection for our minds.  If you think that you, as a woman, are immune to getting sucked into porn like men are, think again.  Read this woman's story of finding God after pornography. It's ok to maintain your innocence as an adult.  Once you've seen it, you can never erase it.  You can never "not know" what you find out.  Maybe you won't remember every inappropriate scene, but you'll remember too many of them.  


And those inappropriate scenes?  They are perversions and mockeries of something awesome that God made.  Sex is awesome.  God wants us to have sex.  Good sex.  God also wants us to desire our own husbands and to think our own husbands are hot, not comment on the hotness of every single other man.  Consider this advice from blogger Carla Anne
"It is inappropriate to talk about good-looking men – in movies, or in church, or on a sports team, or wherever – unless he is YOUR husband. But don’t just stop talking about all the other guys… be sure to let your husband know that he is all you allow yourself to feast your eyes on and that you are choosing HIM as your sexy man.
Am I saying looks are not important? No.
Am I saying that we shouldn’t enjoy the beauty of God’s creation? No.
I am saying that as married Christian women we need to make a covenant with our eyes (like Job did) and keep our hearts, minds and words pure. Never speak about another man’s ‘sexiness’. The only person’s sexiness you have any right to talk about is your husband’s, and then only if it is in a good way.
I remember going to see one of the Twilight movies, watching Taylor Lautner in the (many) shirtless scenes (um, because apparently werewolves can't wear shirts??), admiring the six-pack, and thinking, I feel like I'm cheating on my husband!  I actually had to look away because, seriously, my husband does not need to compete with that.  And actually...I really do think he's more attractive than Taylor Lautner anyway; not much of a contest.  


I know that many of our husbands are no longer the hot stud they were when you got married, but your own husband is still supposed to be enough!  We're not supposed to be finding pleasure in other men, even if it is just by looking!  Too radical?  Don't you think most of us could afford to be just a tad more radical in protecting our marriages?


It may not seem as though a few decisions to watch a movie like "Magic Mike" or read a book like Fifty Shades of Grey would defile our minds.  But as I've said before, it's the small things that add up.  Make good choices and protect your purity.  God will honor it.

God has ordained that the sweetest and truest pleasure shall flow from adherence to principle.

27 comments:

  1. I'm frankly surprised that many Christian women would even consider watching "Magic Mike." It's about STRIPPING. You know, taking clothing off in front of people who we're not married to and who isn't a medical professional? The problem with discretion is that the world has none, and we are becoming more like the world than the Kingdom of God. And all in the name of "Christian Freedom." Being free in Christ means being free to serve him, not our own lusts.

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  2. I'm surprised about Christian women going to see it too. I think we've convinced ourselves that it's all just harmless and won't affect us and it's just not true.

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  3. THANK YOU for this!! I am absolutely refusing to see such a movie. I really, really appreciate how you approach and handle potentially touchy topics like this one, in such a Gospel-centered, God-honoring, marriage-honoring manner. You are great, and I am sharing this article!

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  4. Thanks, Jaimie! Writing it down enables me to tone down my strong opinion somewhat. :) Share away!

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  5. I was absolutely appalled when I saw that "Magic Mike" was going to actually be a movie. Just as I am appalled by Fifty Shades of Grey. I won't watch or read either. I'm 23 years old, married for 7 months, and will always only be attracted to my husband. But I also can't see any harm in appreciating how good-looking another man or celebrity is--just don't go any further than that. God created them, too.

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  6. Yeah, and Fifty Shades of Grey is also going to be a movie. How horrifying is that?

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  7. Thanks for the links! And my husband and I did the same stupid thing! We started watching both The Tudors and Rome, too. We only lasted 2 episodes of Rome before we said, no way. The Tudors we made it through more. But that's it. We're done. It's just ICKY. And so we never started Game of Thrones!

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  8. I actually read Game of Thrones and "icky" would be an understatement for that one. It's just...rough. Both the HBO series could have been amazing without all the nastiness.

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  9. great post! although i think we still have our disagreements on the subject, the part where you talk about what we let our kids watch on tv in relation to this topic really struck me. a bit because out of nowhere this past week this little song that nancy grossman taught us in backyard bible club like a million years ago has popped into my head. "be careful little eyes what you see. there is a father up above and hes looking down in love, so be carful little eyes what you see". i started thinking about all the things that i have seen on tv or movies as a child and how they have affected my life, and how some images just never leave your head no matter how much you might want them too. well i can totally see the point you are trying to make much clearer now, and i will be "watching out" a little bit more about what I am putting into my head. funny how God can take a little song you learned when you were 5 to make you think! :-)
    i also want to add that i think what carla ann said is a little extreme. if you have a tv and you leave your home and go out in the world there are pretty people everywhere and you will notice them. should you lust after them? no! but you are going to see them.
    btw i think we talked about it before but i have watched both rome and the tudors, and i do agree that the sex was WAY too much and could have just been implied instead of being soft core. they are both brilliant shows and would have still been without all the sex, and i have wrote to both and asked them to release dvds with the sex cut out.

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  10. Thanks for bringing more attention to what these books and movies are really all about and providing an important perspective! Thanks for sharing at NOBH too.

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  11. If they released DVDs of Rome with the sex cut out, would there even be a DVD to release?? :)


    I think the point of what Carla Anne was saying was that obviously, we're going to notice if a guy is "hot", but it's not necessarily helpful or appropriate for our marriages to be commenting on it all the time. Honestly, I kind of appreciate when Dave tells me that he thinks someone's "hot". He calls me "hot" too, so when he says "hot", I translate that to "that person is attractive". It's never in comparison to me (like, "she's hot and you're not"). I enjoy the transparency between us and that I know what kind of a look he finds attractive (and in general, it's totally natural beauty...not trampiness...so it's totally doable to kind of imitate it sometimes). I think it's interesting (and I read this on a blog somewhere in reference to girls, but it's slipping my mind where) that we used to just say that guys were "cute" - basically just noticing that he was attractive. But now we say "hot" - more of a sexual connotation.

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  12. Oh, and I TOTALLY forgot about "Backyard Bible Club"!! Good memories...

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  13. Excellent post. I read about this just the other day and was shocked! We are a society that is so obsessed with p*rn, image, and s*x in general - and even women in the church are caught up in this stuff. Little do we know the extent of the damage that is being done. Thank you for writing this - it is an excellent article. Hopping over from Consider the Lillies. Blessings from Zagreb: A Little R & R (http://www.littlerandr.org)

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  14. Great article but to me Twilight is no better...we need to guard our minds to movies like that too. Thank you for taking a stand against these things! We as Christian women really need to take a stand against them and not be of this world and think its no big deal.

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  15. So well written! So glad to be reading this blog! I hope you continue and keep reminding us ladies of what God's plan is for our marriages. Thanks!

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  16. Thanks for bringing this subject to my attention!!

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  17. OldButStillNewlywedJuly 9, 2012 at 10:19 AM

    Thank you for this! I've been thinking about it a lot recently, and your post is incredibly appropos, as usual.

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  18. I do agree that I am not sure why women are wanting to read these books and watch movies, that they would be upset if their husbands were reading graphic novels or watching a movie about females strippers. It was sad to me to hear that the Fifty Shades series cold more than Harry Potter and some other popular books. I guess it shows where our culture is right now and how they are looking for satisfaction in any form.

    One thing I was thinking about from what you wrote was a comment from the blogger Carla..stating "It is
    inappropriate to talk about good-looking men – in movies, or in church,
    or on a sports team, or wherever – unless he is YOUR husband. But don’t
    just stop talking about all the other guys… be sure to let your husband
    know that he is all you allow yourself to feast your eyes on and that
    you are choosing HIM as your sexy man."

    I don't think the issue is whether it's verbalized or not, it's what we do with that information in our heads. We can never escape other men that may be better looking than our husbands or someone we feel 'attracted' to, (especially since it's even hard to pinpoint what causes us to be attracted to someone in the first place). But I think it's important what we do with those thoughts and feelings.

    It's our responsilbility as a wife to stay committed to our husbands and find ways to stay connected. So I agree with that last part, that we need to choose him to feast our eyes on and think that is very important. To find ways to stay attracted to your husband, so it's not tempting to walk away when someone better looking or who does something better comes along.

    God did make men and women to be beautiful, so I don't think it's a bad thing to admit that someone else is good looking or attractive, if it stops there. But I think we need our husbands to know that we find them attractive and are committed to them, so if we say someone else is good looking, it doesn't devastate them or your relationship. IF there is an issue, then that should be talked about between you and your husband. And i think, it shouldn't just be shrugged off, if one of you has an issue with being insecure, that should be talked about as well.

    I hope i'm communicating my thoughts well, because it makes sense to me, but I'm not saying we should talk about all the good looking people we see. I'm not saying we should talk about all the attractive men, we've seen in movies, when we're in our women's small group. I am just stating that I think it's a deeper issue than just not talking about it and I don't think it's horrible if you say you think, "so-and-so, from a movie" is good looking.

    thoughts??

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  19. Hey sister in law! While I don't understand it, I'm not really shocked that non-Christian women are reading these books. What genuinely shocks me is that CHRISTIAN women are so into it. I've heard that someone brought it into our church nursery and was talking about it and had to be spoken to about it.

    And I agree with your point about the thoughts. Our thoughts are really as important as our actions, sometimes even more important since our thoughts influence our actions. I'm not sure if I said this in another comment or not, but Dave and I tell each other if we think someone is attractive but the way we express our admiration for each other is WAY different. I know that those other attractive don't measure up in Dave's eyes so it doesn't make me insecure. I actually appreciate the transparency that that creates between us. I'm not making it a crime for him (as a visual person) to think someone else is attractive. I don't totally agree with the comment I quoted, but I thought it was worth considering.

    I also don't think there is anything wrong with commenting that a guy is good-looking. But I do think there's a difference between saying, "That guy is attractive" and "That guy is HOT." "Hot" often carries a connotation of sexual arousal with it.

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  20. Go, girl! You are right on, as usual. I just wrote a post on Shades of Grey at the suggestion of a reader.

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  21. First, I have to agree that EVERYONE should see that version of Pride and Prejudice. Sigh!
    I so agree with this post. I only just heard of 50 shades of grey when you mentioned it in your post. That's as far as I've gotten. Magic Mike holds no magic for me. I look at my portly, greying husby of 36 years and see my lover, confidante, cheerleader,care-giver,strength,provider, and best friend. He has been and is everything to me. I can't imagine looking at another man. Least of all being seduced by mere looks. Give me a man who stays. And loves me. THAT is sexy. Thank you for sharing on NOBH!

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  22. There is NO better version of P & P. Keira Knightly should never have tried to be Elizabeth Bennett. And no one can ever be a better Mr Darcy than Colin Firth...

    I love your description of your husband. I am looking forward to being able to say that when I've been married for 36 years!

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  23. I am genuinely appalled at women, I thought to be Christians and know to be Christians, reading books like Fifty Shades of Grey and watching TV shows like the HBO "sex" dramas and day time soap operas. It's junk, and it doesn't measure up against the Philippians 4:8-9 standard. Jesus equates "looking lustfully at another man" as the same thing as adultery. And sex is supposed to be between one man and one woman, man and wife, not man and wife or man and girlfriend, and audience. I'd encourage every woman to take a deep look at what they watch and read and reevaluate, asking themselves: Does this glorify God? If you know in your heart that the answer is no, turn off the TV, get deep into the Word of God, pray, and turn that attention toward your husband, or if you're not married, turn that attention toward protecting and preserving your mind, heart, and body for marriage.

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  24. I'm fairly appalled as well, although as you can see from my personal example in the post, I've certainly been guilty of watching explicit shows as well and creating justifications for doing so. I'm thankful my husband and I were convicted and made the decision to not watch them anymore.

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  25. Reading through several of the comments, two things stood out to me. First, we all struggle with the flesh. Second, when we women try to fill our empty places with anything other than Christ we often resort to filling up on the world's false answers to romance and "the perfect man".
    These struggles are real for many women and one reason God calls more mature Christian women to mentor those who are younger.
    Great post!

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  26. I really appreciate your post. My wife and I have many married couples, young and old, ask for our advice on how to have for their marriage what they see in ours. This is one area we talk to them about, yet they do not want to take a stand and so there are vulnerable points in their marriage.
    The old saying that we can't sow wild oats and then pray for crop failure is so true. Every image creates a desire.
    Thanks. It's refreshing to know that we are not the only ones that think this way.

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  27. I am the wife of a recovering porn addict. I am blogging my journey of
    healing. IN fact there are many of us blogging about our finding healing through Christ. I
    stumbled upon your blog from NOBH. Thank you for sharing your thoughts on the sanctity of marriage and making sure we are virtuous in all that we do. Porn is addicting and ruins marriage,
    families, and society. It really is the little things that add up over time.

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